People Outraged Over Female Weight Issues/Body Standards

Never let anyone claim society does not care about an issue unless it involves slavery or laws or lynching (fallacy of relative privation). "Heightism doesn't matter because racism, sexism, and homophobia are worse".

Okay, then what about all this?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40838979

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/robbie-sarah-tripp-curvy-wife-instagram-viral_us_5982b3e8e4b0fa1575fbf2e6

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/leading-employment-judges-call-for-law-banning-fattism-in-workplace-a6999401.html

Have fat women been treated like black people? Make no mistake, body shaming in general is hurtful, but it's interesting how much more politically incorrect it is to talk about weight compared to height. Matt Lewis pointed this out on CNN here:

If someone says "society only cares about an issue if it offends women," then I'll be the first to agree. Anything else is just an excuse. Give me one other reason why women's weight standards are a big deal but height prejudice is not. Picture how much worse weight disorders would be if we couldn't naturally change our BMI, and if people were labeled with an equivalent of "short man syndrome" the moment they became upset due to body shaming. Short men are stereotyped as being angry, yet one can find way more coverage of women outraged over body shaming. While someone may develop an eating disorder due to fat shaming, short males realize there is nothing they can naturally do about their height, so they simply kill themselves: [1][2][3]. Either that or people seek out limb lengthening surgery/human growth hormone.

Speaking of which, did weight disorders exist before they were researched? This is a rhetorical question, of course the answer is yes. The only difference is whether the disorder is acknowledged in the first place. Go to some forum like reddit.com/r/short and one can easily see that many males suffer from body image issues. Where's the concern? While this society harps on about "toxic masculinity," it seems not much has changed, because men are still expected to invincible while women are not.

People outright insult short men all the time, and at best barely anyone cares. At worst, any short guy who has a problem with it is labeled as insecure. When it comes to body shaming, notice how the focus is not on whether women take it on the chin, but rather the spotlight is on the initial rudeness itself. In fact, merely asking about or pointing out a woman's weight is considered rude, let alone mocking it. There's a reason why the WWE announces the men's weights but not the women's. Social conditioning has taught people that saying virtually anything about the obese is bullying, while most things height related are always classified as a joke (I wonder if this feminist and the 300+ who liked her tweet would think the same line about fat or flat women is amusing). Spoilers: she wouldn't. It's also interesting how some feminists take out their frustration on men who already aren't respected. Ever notice how these feminists don't use tall handsome guys as their punching bags?

When you're told from a young age that simply asking a woman about her weight is a cardinal sin, of course every comment about weight would be viewed as bullying. There can be no malicious intent behind saying something weight related, but it's considered rude regardless. If I'm wrong, then tell me one comment about weight that you can publicly say to a woman's face and have it not be considered rude. On the other hand, you can outright insult a short man, and if he doesn't take it obediently, then the problem is on his end (he has a napoleon complex, he's insecure, etc.).

Update: Apparently, universities also have a 'fat studies' course about the discrimination fat women face.

Update 2: While society is treating fat shaming as a serious issue, here is the kind of presentation heightism gets. It's all a joke to them, even when talking about derogatory stereotypes or the height wage gap.

Update 3: I keep finding more weirdness about how society views height.

According to society's mentality, judging a person based on their choices/lifestyle is not okay, but judging someone by how they're born is okay. For the record, I think both are rude (they're obviously intended to be), but look at the likes/retweets. It's the social difference in how much more popular and acceptable it is to bash short men that's worth noting. Also inb4 "it's just a prank bro."

Whenever I see women mocked over their traits, be it weight, height, breast size or whatever, there's always a plethora of people rushing to defend them. For example, when 4'11 Ariana Grande was mocked about her size, it sparked backlash. Often we see even 5'7 - 5'8 male stars like Tom Cruise or Kit Harington being mocked about their height. Where's the same reaction?

This is why weight discrimination has a university course while heightism remains a humorous topic. It's not the trait being targeted that matters, it's which gender is being affected. Hypothetically, if women cared about height prejudice rather than fat shaming, would people be defending short women or fat men right now?

Update 4: Almost 50k likes for this woman appalled by Macy's fat shaming plates:

But when some short guys once complained about a sign suggesting short people get down on all fours and drink with the dogs, even other short people responded with "it's just a joke, make fun of yourself, etc."

It's the hypocrisy that’s the real issue here. When was the last time you saw the politically correct tell women to self-deprecate about their weight? This is just one double standard out of many. Another popular excuse to hate on short men is, “This one short guy offended me, so it’s now fair game to diss all short men.” But unless that same logic is applied to women’s bodies, it’s hypocritical. Good luck finding many mainstream outlets or tolerant progressives giving the greenlight on that though. “If you want to bodyshame women, just find one female you dislike with that body type, then have fun.” This is one case where the politically incorrect have the edge. They’re annoying, but at least there’s some consistency when they discriminate against everyone. Meanwhile, the other side often has a hundred and one excuses for why talking about weight is wrong but judging based on height is okay.

Ever wonder why it's okay to judge somebody's political beliefs but not their skin color? Despite both issues having tumultuous histories, one is a choice and the other is immutable. So the fact that an adult's weight is remotely controllable but height isn't, means there is nothing someone can say that will convince me the former is wrong to shame but the latter is not.

P.S. You always have the short people who chime in saying "I'm 5 feet tall and I think fat shaming is worse!" I honestly don't care if someone is 3 feet tall, I address the argument rather than the person making it, and thus far I have yet to be convinced. I take these short apologists about as seriously as I do an Uncle Tom from any other group.

A Thesis About Height Discrimination From Feminist Scholarship

https://etd.ohiolink.edu/!etd.send_file?accession=bgsu1219422665&disposition=inline

I saw this some time ago but I never saved it. Fortunately, I've recently come across it again and it's actually pretty good, especially since I've seen many feminists do the opposite. There's nothing more ironic than a feminist who not only dismisses heightism, but partakes in it.

Speaking of forgetting to save things, I had a study that showed how tall women are treated the same as tall men in the workforce, but now I can't dig it up again. Basically, a 6'5 woman would actually have a better chance than a man who's 5'0, it just happens that women are shorter on average. It's just too bad many feminists don't read up on this topic, then they would realize how much of a role height plays in sexism.

The page itself examines many things like film and even the language itself, which is more than I can ask for from most people. Sure, it frames everything into a feminist narrative which may put some people off, but again, at least they acknowledge height prejudice.

Female to Male Trangender Person Talks About Height

"When I identified as female, I was somehow awesome for being on the taller end of femme, but now? Now I’ve been called a “manlet” for being a hair under average male height – because apparently men get to be treated like shit for something that they can’t control. I’ve also noticed that, while dating women, a lot of them won’t even go NEAR you if you’re under 6 feet tall. Which is bullshit. As I’m bisexual it didn’t really matter too much to me, but I did notice something anectodally interesting – gay men and bisexual men don’t generally give a flying flip if you’re short or tall as long as there is chemistry between you. But of course, men are the judgemental ones, right guies?"

 Full post: https://libertyviral.com/is-living-life-better-as-a-man-or-woman-a-transgender-tells-hisher-story/

"Short Men Shouldn't Act This Way, It Only Perpetuates Negative Stereotypes." Part 3

Penalties for women who violate prescriptive gender stereotypes

Evidence suggests that female faculty members may suffer social reprisals for violating the prescriptive gender stereotypes that women should be deferential and not challenge authority. In one qualitative study of five medical schools, female faculty members reported “feeling as if they were treated like teenagers…or singled out as ‘disruptive to the department when they spoke up.” In another study, female residents felt pressured to avoid a “bossy” or “aggressive” tone when directing patient care. In the words of one senior male resident: “Ive seen men able to say things in just terrible tones, but its just accepted. Whereas if a woman tried that…” Apprehension of the negative consequences of transgressing prescriptive gender stereotypes can lead to self-silencing, in which female faculty “play it safe” and avoid speaking up in departmental meetings and other forums. - Source

Sounds familiar. If you don't know what talking about, here are Part 1 and Part 2. There I discuss how short men are obligated to be more docile than everyone else, or else it's "confirmed" that short men have a complex. The difference here is that people these days try to empower women by telling them to go against this mindset. Short men are expected to go along with it.

"If women don't want to be labeled as bossy, always avoid being aggressive or too assertive."


"If short men don't want to be labeled with Napoleon Complex/Short Man Syndrome, always avoid being aggressive or too assertive."

It's funny how one is considered illogical, oppressive, and unfair, but the other is a genius revelation. Technically, both solutions do prevent the person from being negatively labeled, but do people not see what's wrong with this in and of itself? A woman could avoid being called a bitch by simply being more submissive than men have to, but the fact that someone has to do that in the first place is the real problem.

Also inb4 "discrimination against women is more documented so it's only wrong to do this to them." Someone broke my entire arm, so I'm only going to break one of your fingers (more on this mentality here). Hypothetically, would it be okay to tell women to be more meek than men if sexism had less historical significance?

Fact of the matter is that we're all (supposedly) equal members of society. Someone shouldn't need to behave more than another from birth till death just for being born a certain way, just to not be discriminated against. Others need to be made aware of their behavior and prejudices.


The following is courtesy of HeightismReport:

For those who don't know, there is a ridiculous belief that short men should be forced to act in a way that "does not reinforce" stereotypes, and the other end of this belief is that short men have to act in a way to dispel the stereotypes. This is a bunch of nonsense because short men did not create these stereotypes, these stereotypes are nothing more than hateful beliefs that shift the blame onto short men so as to justify the hateful beliefs held by heightists.

A marginalized group who are burdened with unfair stereotypes cannot do anything to dispel or confirm the stereotypes. It makes no sense to place such a burden on a powerless group that had no power to prevent the stereotypes to begin with. The only way to dispel these stereotypes is by holding the people who believe in them accountable for being hateful folk wisdom that is convenient to their agenda. These stereotypes are nothing but attempts to put short men in a Catch-22 where the application of stereotypes can be used by the status-quo for any reason.

These stereotypes lead to a narrative where the actions of short men are policed, and the stereotypes are used as a controlling mechanism ensuring that short men don't step "out of line." The stereotypes were created with hatred as the backbone, and there's no type of behavior that short men can engage in to disprove the stereotypes, and on the other hand, short men can't confirm the stereotypes because all of the confirmation took place when bigots decided they were going to believe the stereotypes to begin with and reject all conflicting evidence.

It's not up to short men to eradicate stereotypes they didn't have a say in creating, it's up to society to stop sowing the seeds of bigotry that are supplanted by the indoctrinated distaste everyone is taught to have in regard to short men. This isn't just an issue where bigots use these stereotypes, it's an issue where short men use the threat of "confirming stereotypes" to silence other short men, and this is unacceptable.

Here's another good comment on this topic:

"If other people stereotype short men, then that is their problem. They are in the wrong for making assumptions about "all short men", not me. If I hold opinion X, I shouldn't have to change my opinion just because some heighest bigots conclude that since I believe X, all short people believe X. It's as ridiculous as asking a black person who likes watermelons to stop liking watermelons lest he perpetuates the racist stereotype. It seems as though you're implicitly justifying or rationalizing stereotyping short people, while ironically accusing us of being in the wrong for stereotyping women."

People often give short men advice such as, "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent." Basically, if a short person becomes depressed or suicidal due to heightism, they chose that state of mind. Sounds dubious, but if that's what we're going with, then I'm applying the same sense of agency to those who stereotype short men. Nobody can make someone believe a stereotype without their consent.

Different Height Requirements for Men and Women

These are Mexico's height requirements for police officers:

Click photo for source.

I always get a kick out of these when they have different requirements for men and women, like a 5'5 woman being okay, but 5'5 men GTFO. If this isn't heightism then I don't know what is.

When it comes to these jobs, what can a short woman do that a man of the same height can't? The average 5'5 man is still stronger than the average tall woman, let alone a short one.

Simply put, this is all about appearances, like making a Hollywood actor stand on a box so he's taller than his female co-star.

Here's another case of this from Singapore, where a 5'2 woman is A-okay for Dunkin' Donuts, but a 5'2 man is not:

Wouldn't be surprised if we see more of this in the future, as heightism goes unchecked and encouraged.

"TV Exposure Linked to Female Body Ideal"

Here's the study: http://www.ncl.ac.uk/press/news/2016/02/femalebodyimageideals/

Wonder what would happen if we flipped the genders and made this about height.

Excerpts:

"For the first time experts have been able to eliminate external factors and specifically pinpoint television as having a direct link with female body ideals."

"Research involved assessing groups with different levels of access to Western media. This included people from an urban area, a village with television access, and a village with little television access."

"It was found that the highest Body Mass Index (BMI) preferences were found in the village with least media access, while those living in urban areas preferred thinner female bodies."

"He said: “Our study shows that television is having a significant impact on what people think is the ideal woman’s body."

This reminds me of all the studies where tribal people don't prefer tall men en-masse: http://heightismandothershit.blogspot.ca/2015/12/numerous-studies-on-height-preferences.html

The more studies pop up, the more I'm convinced our preferences are culturally induced for the most part. I think a good example of this, would be our view on penis size compared to ancient Greeks and Romans. Can you believe the big dicked guys used to be the ones mocked? These ideals may start from either instinct or society, but it's the latter than strengthens and spreads it.

"Sexist Humor No Laughing Matter, Psychologist Says"

Summary:

"Jokes about blondes and women drivers are not just harmless fun and games; instead, exposure to sexist humor can lead to toleration of hostile feelings and discrimination against women, according to new research. “Specifically, we propose that sexist humor acts as a ‘releaser’ of prejudice,” says one of the researchers." - http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/11/071106083038.htm

Highly doubt anyone will come to the same conclusion about heightism. Short men have to learn to "take a joke" and "make fun of ourselves," despite men's overall higher suicide rates, and the correlation between height and suicide.

Just-so story

In science and philosophy, a just-so story, also called an ad hoc fallacy, is an unverifiable and unfalsifiable narrative explanation for a cultural practice, a biological trait, or behavior of humans or other animals. The pejorative^[1] nature of the expression is an implicit criticism that reminds the hearer of the essentially fictional and unprovable nature of such an explanation. Such tales are common in folklore and mythology (where they are known as etiological myths—see etiology).

This phrase has been used to criticize evolutionary explanations of traits that have been proposed to be adaptations, particularly in the evolution–creation debates^[4] and in debates regarding research methods in sociobiology^[2] and evolutionary psychology.^[1]

However, academics such as David Barash state the term "just so story" when applied to a proposed evolutionary adaptation is simply a derogatory term for a hypothesis.

Hypotheses, by definition, require further empirical assessment, and are a part of normal science.^[5] Similarly, Robert Kurzban suggested that "The goal should not be to expel stories from science, but rather to identify the stories that are also good explanations."^[6] In his book The Triumph of Sociobiology, John Alcock suggested that the term just so story as applied to proposed evolved adaptations is "one of the most successful derogatory labels ever invented".^[7]

Maybe if some people didn't spread hypotheses as facts, this term wouldn't exist.

Malcolm X- Who Taught You To Hate Yourself?

Feminists Love Tall Height Just Like Everyone Else

Skim the comments section:
http://jezebel.com/why-are-you-still-rejecting-short-guys-1729897406

Someone could claim Jezebel feminists "aren't real feminists" but I'm done playing that game. "Tumblr feminists aren't real feminists." "Twitter feminists aren't real feminists." "Reddit feminists aren't real feminists." I've seen feminists from all these websites dismiss and outright mock short men, but I guess they were all imaginary.

Excerpt: "No one in their right mind expects a woman or man to settle for a guy who is short, uneducated, small-dicked, et al."

Like I said in my previous post, height is labeled as a personal preference, but in reality it's considered an objective flaw. Even feminists think short men are to be settled for, or worse, they make it sound like the author is asking women to jump off cliffs. Giving short men a chance is that bad.

Then they try to spin it around and talk about how men are equally picky and shallow. Maybe the tall hot guys are picky (because they can afford to be), but these are the guys women acknowledge more often, so it seems like all men are picky. Otherwise, I guess all the flat-chest lovers and BBW chasers are imaginary. I can link sites where hundreds of men jack off to old fat hairy ladies, but then my blog would have an adult filter.

Short men are virtually nobody's preference. Nothing we didn't already know, but it's nice having more evidence of their victim-blaming and thinly veiled disdain for short men. They leave comments like "it's not about height it's their bad personalities," right after others admit short height is ugly. Throw in typical Napoleon Complex insinuations as if that's a real mental illness.

One commenter called out the "it's not their height it's their personality" line, and here was the retort from someone else:

"Sure, then when they arrive at their next relationship and take that out on a whole new woman who didn’t find them unattractive at all, they perpetuate their own disappointment. Rejection is hard for everyone but bitterness is universally unattractive."

There we go. That comment had over a hundred likes. Even before short men have done anything, they just assume we'll be bitter once given a chance. They think we're that stupid to attack the few good ones. No, the only ones we attack already have a thousand and one excuses. Apparently, we're not allowed to be pissed off by this pure retardation. Best part is how there would be hell to pay if men were this anal over one female trait. Fortunately for them, most men are desperate and thirsty.

There's nothing wrong with bitterness when society automatically assumes you're bitter anyway. I doubt any abusive tall guys have their behavior linked to their heights. These feminists are blind about equality. This isn't just about dating, it's about pure slandering and stereotyping of short men. I wonder how these women would feel if all their anger is attributed to PMS.

I post about feminism and height because I've seen many short male feminists claim things such as, "feminism has helped me love my short body. If feminism gained more traction, heightism would be stigmatized. All short men should be feminists. I can't see why any short men would oppose this." Proof of such men here. These fuckers are out of their minds. I feel worse when feminists shit on short men, because their hypocrisy is the salt in the wound. They preach about "body positivity" and "gender norms," but they worship tall men anyway (whether in or out of dating).

Any feminists who don't apply here are canceled out by non-feminists who feel the same, as in I've seen just as many non-feminists who aren't heightist as feminists who weren't. The more influence women have, the more the Halo Effect will cause their "preference" to seep everywhere, not just their bedrooms. Maybe men will stop killing themselves so much once people wake up. Here are the suicide rates of men compared to women. Here are the links between male height and suicide. Do the math. What kind of male privilege is this?

I don't even believe height is based in gender, because effeminate South Korean men are all the craze right now. They still have to be tall though, as height is a genderless status symbol, like fame or wealth. No matter your gender, you're better off with it, and that's why many women admit to wearing heels to simply be taller. Good luck convincing even heightism-aware short men of this though. Everyone genuinely believes it's all about masculinity. I've been called "manly" as a compliment by others, so trust my stocky hairy ass, this has nothing to do with gender. Yet short male feminists keep pushing their lies.

Feminism is a giant cult and they prey on desperate men. "Join us and we'll protect you and aid you." Then you become just another useful idiot. Don't fall for it.

TL;DR: If feminism helps short men, then shouldn't there be less heightism the more feminism there is? I see the opposite.

Heightism Is Shamed When It Targets Women

Wendy Williams on Ariana Grande: "She's 21. She'll forever look 12," Williams said as the audience laughed. "And I don't mean that in a good way. It's nice to look younger than you are, but when you look too young and then you're short—she's only like 4'11". I don't look at her as, like, a woman."

https://twitter.com/ShawnMendesNews/status/631895155159769088

Over 9000 retweets. Insert Vegeta meme here.

On the other hand, when short men speak out against the DirecTV ad, it's time to get raided by 4chan and called manlets with zero backup from anyone. Stay blatantly biased, Internet.

Short women should be defended, but these priorities are fucked up. Predictable, but fucked.

Here's a full article on this: http://shortguycentral.com/P-78/heightism-is-only-taken-seriously-when-women-are-the-target

Short Men Are Automatically Hilarious Just For Existing

https://www.facebook.com/djmosakenofficial/videos/1129490263743866/

Truly witty and clever. A real knee-slapper. The comments are the best part. Remember, these are actual people one would see in everyday life. We should have a video where a really dark black dude is laughed at in a lineup of really pale white guys. Don't be mad, it's just a sight gag, so let's like it over 30,000 times and share it over 70,000 times. Yes, I'm comparing heightism and racism, not equating them. I always need this disclaimer because people are retarded.

The video reminds me of this picture: 5'8 Kit Harington standing with 5'9 Sophie Turner and 6'3 Gwendoline Christie. The two actresses are much taller than the average woman (plus they're wearing heels), yet the short man is the one used as the punchline (because short men are weak you see). It's always the man who's too short. It's never the women who are too tall.

I'm not saying tall women should be made fun of instead, but c'mon, at least be equal with these so-called harmless jokes. Short men are automatically hilarious just for existing. Just for standing there being short. I guess I'll never understand society's sense of humor. I'll also never understand why short men are always told to bash ourselves/take mockery up the ass, like here, here, and here.

"Embrace being short and accept that it is part of you. Laugh when a girl rejects you at the bar for being too short and move on. Smile when someone uses you (all the fucking time) as an armrest. Recycle the short jokes you have heard all throughout high school and middle school on yourself and make people laugh."

I'll pass on the voluntary castration. How often would a 6 foot guy have to insult his own height, or receive heightist humiliation from others? Don't say "well, life isn't fair." Say, "society has a facade of equality." Once all the schools/governments/media admit society does not strive for equality, and instead has a huge height bias, I'll do a little jig like a monkey. For now, they're lying.

This isn't about attractiveness or however else people spin it, it's about being seen as a joke in everyday life. Short men are walking jokes. Well, society has a height joke alright, but I ain't laughing. The joke is that people are zombies when it comes to height. Perhaps they watch too many movies.

Update: a few days after I made this post, reddit has done it again: Sophie Turner and Gwendoline Christie taking out their adopted son to a dinner party

He's their adopted son only because he's shorter than they are. Wow.

Aside from specific subreddits designed to make fun of people, reddit in general has a politically correct facade. Mock flat or tall women in some random forum like Game of Thrones and there would be hell to pay. Short men, however, are everyone's bitch, the ones people use as target practice to feel better about themselves, with the added bonus of no political correctness.

One of the top posts says "You can see the regret in Kit's face, "Damnit why did I agree to having a photo with two really tall women in heels."

No. That's his regular 'I smell something funny' expression he does 24/7. It's even a damn meme, and I'm pretty sure these fans are just conveniently ignoring it to laugh at his stature.

People project this weird idea onto short men, where we're insecure due to simply standing next to taller women. I could stand next to a 20 foot lady and I wouldn't care. I hate these fuckers because they're the average retard off the street. "We're just kidding around bro. I actually think short men are a joke though."

I agree with the following:

"This is why I never take tall girls complaining about standing out for their appearance seriously. When a tall girl, or extremely tall girls in this case are stood next to a guy who is practically average height, guess who gets mocked? The 'manlet' of course"

"I wonder if someone made some joke about Kit taking his two pet giraffes out for a walk or something if people would still see it as "just as joke"

Is This Feminist Serious?

I found this on supportfortheshort's Twitter:

This bitch has over 57K followers. Excerpts from her site:

"I am a feminist and as such, I believe that men and women should be treated equally and granted equal access to resources such as education, employment, government, etc. I am a woman. My idea of womanhood and femininity is my own and I own it."

"I’m a woman who listens. I’m a woman who thinks critically. Sometimes, people pull ideas out of nowhere and try to substantiate them with anecdotal “evidence”. That doesn’t work for me. When I observe a pattern or trend in behaviors, I do some research to see if the conclusions I’ve drawn are remotely true. If I’m totally off-base, I chuck the idea until I find more information to validate my theories."

"I’m a lover. I love myself, I love others. I love the beauty of life and I love examining and critiquing the ugly parts."

Oh boy. I ain't even mad. Just amused and flabbergasted. No doubt she would be offended if someone assumed things due to her race or gender, but assuming random shit about short cops? A-OK for this feminist.

Others may claim "she's not a real feminist," but I believe she is. Feminists are just like everyone else. They can have intelligent or stupid ideas. Some women have noted, and I quote, "But I've noticed that the subject of male height has the capacity to turn even the most open-minded and feminist of my friends into straight-up bitches."

Many feminists also use typical excuses when they fawn over tall men and hate on short men. Read more here. They may claim to hate how men have more status and power, but they only attack the vulnerable ones.

The government needs to send this memo to all males: if you're below average height, you're not allowed to do anything. Lift weights, join law enforcement, become president, etc. Almost everyone (including feminists) will assume everything you do is linked to your height.

P.S. I'm no ball licker when it comes to cops. I just found this funny.

"Women who are told men desire women with larger bodies are happier with their weight"

Everything here is copy/pasted from this thead.

Original post: http://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/2tkeqm/women_who_are_told_men_desire_women_with_larger/

"I found many of the comments interesting because they're different to the standard responses that short men get when talking about being found unattractive."

"Sometimes we have to had it oficiallized because it seems so obvious to the sheer nature of humanity. Men too, have body image issued tied to what they think women prefer as well."

"The standard response short men receive is some variation of "man up," "stop whining," etc. I found this comment very relevant:"

"I don't understand why it would not be the same for any human. If you are constantly told your body type is wrong, your self-esteem will go down."

"Human beings are social animals. We are significantly affected by the way others treat us and rank us. If the message we are constantly told is that we're inferior, we're undesirable, and have all sorts of negative traits, it's going to affect us. And the opposite is true - receiving constant positive messages will affect us too."

"It really is ridiculous that short men are expected to somehow have no problems with being seen as inferior and unattractive, being attacked by the media and people in general."

"I guess I'm trying to say, that /r/science thread made me realize just how strange the backlash against short men (justifiably) complaining is, and how they're expected to have no emotional response to the way they're treated."

"What always amazes me in these sorts of conversations is how people take it as an important issue. But if you change the word "weight" to "height", it's suddenly a trivial issue and it's not about society anymore but about immature white boys who want to wet their penises."

For Some Feminists, the Line's Arbitrarily Drawn At Height

"It’s not heightism it’s masculinity expectations enacted by a patriarchal society, People so often attempt to diagnose and treat issues at a topical level and not go to it’s source. which results in something bizarre like “heightism” No doubt there is a stigma towards short men—which travels through to children as most discrimination does— but it’s not a systemic institution of oppression." (2015 update: sources on heightism as an institutional form of oppression.)

Look at this heightism compilation and tell me it's not countless women despising short men. Of course, when men treat others like shit, they're assholes. When women do it, it's because they're "influenced by masculinity expectations." Convenient. The irony is that these feminists are saying women are so dumb that they're brainwashed from birth and never realize enough to stop.

Men commit suicide at 3-7 times the rate of women, yet it's still "the patriarchy." Ever think it's 2014 and maybe some ladies are the ones treating others like dog shit? Just a thought. It always makes me laugh when gung-ho social justice warriors dismiss heightism as a big issue, and I found a comment that addresses this below:

"We can play the game of “all squares are rectangles”, etc, but that’s irrelevant to the fact that SJ groups are supposed to oppose bullying on grounds of race, sex, orientation, gender, disability, etc, but the line is being drawn arbitrarily at height? No one would disagree that those with dwarfism face oppression, but if we add 2 inches and take away the medical diagnosis of dwarfism, suddenly these people don’t get the support of social justice groups? If short kids are killing themselves over a societal bias against them, I don’t care if it fits your definition of “oppression.” The graves these children were buried in remain occupied either way. They were people, they mattered, and they’re gone. Don’t disrespect that by playing a semantics game with the word “oppression” because it does nothing but derail from the tragedies that happened here."

I've had "feminists" spam my blog before for even daring to criticize them, so if they want to do it again, go right ahead. Of course, when a feminist fucks up, they're not a real feminist, they were just a bad apple. Feminism is the true shining beacon of light in this misogynistic world, ain't it? I love all the feminist articles defending short men, since others don't like us because of sexism, right?

Perhaps they'll tell short guys feminism fights for downtrodden men as well so we can count on them, then turn around and claim feminism isn't about men so we shouldn't expect any benefits. Feminists can't even make up their minds amongst themselves. What a joke.

Feminists Use the Same Lines As Non-Feminists to Justify Their Height Prejudices

It seems like many feminists use the same lines as non-feminists to justify their height prejudices:

It's just a preference/natural/biological

height is good

I melt in a tall man's arms

shorter men are awkward

it's the short men who are insecure

I'm getting these quotes from the comments of this feminist website. Some of them at least blame social conditioning (instead of instincts) for their love of tall men, but at the end of the day, they vastly prefer tall men just like non-feminists. There's practically no difference in their actions, only their words.

People can parrot the word "preference" all they want, but they're just covering up their prejudice so they don't seem superficial. By definition these preferences are rooted in prejudice ("any preconceived opinion or feeling, either favorable or unfavorable"). "Preconceived" is the key word here - this preconceived feeling that short men are less favorable than tall men. Whether this preconception is biological or socially programmed is a whole different matter, but I did find one comment on that feminist site which was intriguing:

 

”I think, therefore I am” ~ Descartes. apply it. You think you need a taller man, then you will get it. You think short guys are not for you, then they’re not...

There were other ladies who admitted height requirements are not exactly feminist in nature, but they still preferred tall men, so thanks for that I guess. It's just funny how feminists complain about men having more status and power, yet many of these feminists prefer traits with status and power, like tall height. Some don't even bother trying to question or change that. They just shrug and say, "Too bad shorties. We like what we like. Don't oppress our sexuality!"

Perhaps that's why feminists target geeks and nerds rather than the actual powerful males of society. Notice how they complain about female beauty standards in media (like waist and breast size), but rarely mention how most male protagonists are tall and ripped with pretty hair. They want to feel like rebels fighting an uphill battle against the almighty patriarchy, but they don't want to piss off the men they fantasize about: the tall, rich, influential, etc. They want to live life as a hero without any actual struggle, to judge but not be judged. The best of both worlds.

My point is, do not expect feminists to be any more or less receptive to short men. Apparently, everyone has been programmed to put tall men on a pedestal, and changing this mentality seems to be too much work for feminists and non-feminists alike. They go on and on about how men oppress them, but at the end of the day they bow down to tall men, the same as everyone else. Whether they claim it's due to nature or nurture, they want to be with a man whose height is perceived as positive, rather than one whose height is riddled with stereotypes and labels. Truly brave. Way to stick it to those pesky gender norms.

Soften Our Boys: “Don’t Rape Anyone, Asshole”

http://goodmenproject.com/families/tmb-raising-strong-girls-enough/

"It would seem imperative then that we, as a nation of dads and moms and parties involved in the childhood business must also, in addition to strengthening the core of our young girls, make a more substantial attempt to soften our boys. Maybe soften isn’t the proper word, not exactly. Does there exist a catchall word for “don’t rape anyone, asshole”? Maybe not. So let’s settle on “soften” for now."

Yes, males are assholes who need their raping minds educated softened when they're young. /s

Anyone who sees a little boy and thinks "I better do something or he'll rape" is probably the one with the real mental issue.

Double Standards for Stay-at-Home Dads

"I have a brother in law who is the stay at home parent and his wife is the breadwinner. They agreed that is what works for them. His wife's family (my inlaws) have all called him lazy, a mooch, and a deadbeat along with a few choice words. Yet, my sister in laws, who are stay at home parents, that's okay. It's okay for them to stay home and drink and do whatever but not okay for him to stay home and actually take care of things."

"When a woman does it, it's the hardest job in the world that involves such great self-sacrifice on her part. It is deserving of praise and appreciation.
When a man does it, he's a useless leech living off his wife and why would any woman want to be with someone "unambitious" like that?"

"Damned if you do, damned if you don't. If you do stay at home with the kid(s), you're a wimp, pathetic, if you don't, it's because you're unable."

I'm sure many of us men would rather be the nurturer than a worker. Too bad much of society still treats the idea like heresy. This likely stems from the same fear of tall girl/short boy couplings: gender roles.

Or it's simply nature at work (again?):

"The natural desire in women want men to be the protector provider, which is why the "house husband" is not see as attractive in itself and tends to make women less attracted to them. To me its part of the basic instinctual desires that both men and women have. We prefer to think women are "above" it all, but women are just humans like men."

Why the fuck was I born amongst a bunch of cavemen and cavewomen?

I just want some experiment where a child is raised with totally reversed gender norms, where the heroes on their TV are women and the men are housewives, but that would be inhumane since the kid would be totally confused once returned to reality. Not possible to fabricate such an environment and have volunteers anyway.

Still, let's say our experiment involves a girl who's setup to become a CEO or President. Women are the focus of politics, sports, and et cetera in her world. Bigger is not better, but rather deemed a threat, so men are regulated to housework. I know this is a sick hypothesis, but that's the basis behind sexism (women are weaker thus men should rule) so play along with me here.

If size and masculinity are no longer celebrated, would this girl still wake up one day and think, "my primal urge is telling me to wash dishes while a man leads me?" It's worth a thought.

Just 60 Seconds of Viewing Models May Change Women's Perceptions of Attractiveness

You don't really need to read the full article, the main point is here:

"This study shows... that the low ‘ideal’ weight for females portrayed by media seems to influence judgments of attractiveness more than health in both men and women."

Why can the same not be said about height? The ideal male height seems to be 6'0 - 6'5 even though only a small percentage of men are this tall. A ridiculous standard just like all the skinny men and women on TV.

This is important in regards to the many posts I've written about biological preferences. There are numerous studies blaming the media for how we view fatter women. Yet when it comes to height, we are to assume it's Mother Nature at work. When we critique a woman on her weight, we're brainwashed by the media, but when women reject short men, it's a healthy preference.

Despite all the studies claiming women are innately attracted to tall guys, here are studies about indigenous people do not care about height. Again, if women's body image can be influenced by the media, why do people assume views on men are free from social conditioning?

We're supposed to believe society impacts beauty standards, except when it comes to height, then it's simply biological. Convenient for those who don't want to be judge but not be judged.

Hypoagency: It's Men's Fault for Women Rejecting Short Guys

TL;DR: When a woman dates a short man, it's due to the goodness in her heart, but when she rejects short men, society/nature made her do it. Even if the latter holds more pressure, I think it's due to her own will either way.

This is about how some person said it's okay for women to reject short men because "society makes them do it." Have you ever heard someone use the line, "if so-and-so told you to jump off a cliff, would you do it?" I have finally found a scenario in which that phrase isn't condescending.

Without further ado, here are the quotes:

"Height is not a silly criterion. Society in general DOES prefer taller men in EVERY situation. Society in general DOES teach women that they should look for a male partner who is going to be taller than them. When there's such a strong bias against a category of people, it's not silly at all to take that bias into consideration when choosing a mate. For example, only the most blinded of fat acceptance advocate would deny that it takes an uncommon amount of open-mindedness and sheer courage for an average man to take an obese woman as his partner. Men are taught to automatically refuse obese women as partners, and women are taught to automatically refuse short men as partners. Dismissing these criteria as "silly" is an exercise in pointless denial."

First off, do not equate obese women to short men. Unless a fat girl has a medical condition, she's being rejected for the same reasons someone with bad hygiene or a drug problem might. Height is a genetic trait like skin color, so would you tell an Asian or Black man he's being rejected because he's similar to a fat woman? For the record, I like thicker girls, but that would be ridiculous. Why must we compare prejudices anyway? 

Secondly, I'm pretty sure women are not obligated to do as they're told. Choosing mates just because society is biased in favor of them is such a scummy lifestyle. Ever heard of minority women who are gold-diggers or exclusively date White men? Even though it's their right, and American society favors rich/White men, these women are shamed for wanting to "date-up the totem pole" because it's shallow. However, when it comes to height, they should get a free pass?

Third, by preferring tall men for their unearned perks, you give them more unearned perks. Instead, how about we stop this cycle?

Finally, society telling women to judge based on a silly criterion does not make that criterion not silly.

"For the majority of people, both men and women, the way other people in their circle are going to look at their prospective partner is an integral part of whether said prospective partner is high-quality or not to begin with. All kinds of prejudices are going to factor in, from the crude and obvious ones (race, religion, wealth...) to the more subtle ones (education, mental health, hobbies...) Personal attractivity is going to be one of these factors, and is going to be more or less important depending on individual personality. A wonderful woman who just happens to not look good enough to be introduced to a man's circle of friends or family will most often be rejected out of hand as "not good enough". And women are taught to do the same with short men: if he's too short, then he's automatically considered "not high-quality" - and should she forget about that, most everyone in her family and circle of friends will make sure to remind her of it, in subtle or not-so-subtle ways."

What's the point here? That shallowness is a good enough excuse to not date someone, because you're scared others will view them as lowly? Looks like somebody here chooses to hinge their self-esteem on how others perceive them. This is for anyone who ruins their own dates due to friends/family gossiping: maybe you should hang out with a better circle of acquaintances, rather than avoid people for their genetics (especially if you're attracted to them otherwise). A girl should have self-worth and tell nosy people to fuck off, because those jerks are the ones with the problem, not her short boyfriend. Is that not a better lesson than "just do what society deems easiest?" Again, why are we in a race to see who can be more superficial?

"Society has it that a straight man can be almost anything and still deserve a perfect woman. It's the Beauty and the Beast story: he can be ugly as hell, and treat her like shit, but he still deserves her just because he loves her. The reverse is anything but true: a she-Beast will never deserve a good guy unless she thoroughly cleans up first. So women are under pressure to satisfy a long, long list of Acceptable Mate Criteria, while men pretty much just have to show up and show interest. One of the very rare criteria that men traditionally have to satisfy is height: they have to be taller than their chosen lady. So really, blaming women for applying one of the rare criteria they are actually allowed (and strongly encouraged) to apply, when they themselves are under a whole laundry list of criteria to satisfy, is simply unfair."

The main theme here seems to be, "let girls get back at men." Beauty and the Beast is fictional, in case anyone didn't know. Beast is still huge as fuck though, proving that men can be 'ugly' in any and every regard and still get a girl, except when the man is short. Short stature in a male is a whole new level of unattractiveness. Just look at the movie Shrek: "the movie attempts to put forward a lesson for the kids that it’s ok to be different, unless you are a short male. If you’re a guy, its ok to be horribly ugly, so long as you have height to fall back on and you can push people around."

Besides, the amount of women who would choose a mute crippled burn victim are the same as the men who will, no matter what fiction implies. Women can be, and are, just as shallow as men in every regard. I can also counter with how Disney has made girls think they're all entitled to their prince charming: she can be ugly on the inside, but so long as she loves him, nothing but a tall fit guy will do... Fortunately, my views of real women aren't based on cartoons.

"You're sitting here whining about the women who are simply doing what they are told to do, instead of fighting the system which is teaching them to reject you. In short: you're acting like the entitled man that you have been raised to be. You want to have your cake and eat it too where women are concerned. You want to be allowed to rail against any woman who doesn't think you're God's gift to her, while not recognising that it is your own male peers who teach her to think that way in the first place. You're a man. You belong to the category which has the power where men/women dynamics are concerned. If you want to make a real change, then go after the ones who have the power to change the system (the other guys), instead of beating on those who are already victim of that system (women)."

The issue here is about women refusing to date short guys, yet the blame should be placed on men? Once more, NOBODY FORCES WOMEN TO OSTRACIZE SHORT MEN.

"It's mind-boggling to see women being vilified for following the rules men have created, when the very fact that there are women who accept short men as mates proves that quite a few of them have the guts to go against those rules."

What if I said, "women who date short men shouldn't be praised, the short guy made her believe in him?" That would be invalidating her own decisions, right? So why is it okay to say, "the women who reject short men aren't to blame, men made her do it?" It's the man's fault when she is shallow, but it's due to her own goodness when she is not? Convenient. The only boggling thing is how people bring up women who like (not "put up with," but like) short men. They are so rare that mentioning them is empty condolence.

"Why do you blame women for simply looking for what they've been told makes a better mate? A tall man is what they've been told since infancy they should look out for, so that's what they do. Women are raised with the idea that their male partners will be taller than them, and they see what happens to the girls who have the misfortune of growing taller than most of the boys around, so the message that "the man has to be taller than the woman" gets VERY deeply ingrained in their psyche indeed. So why do you specifically blame the women when it's none of their fault? They just follow the rules they've been taught all their life, nothing more evil than that."

"None of their fault?" Maybe half is their fault, but none? Women have free will, and no matter how much they say "oh, sorry, prewired to hate millions of men," they have free will. This is gonna sound retarded, and feel free to chuckle, but I have trained myself to be aroused by the women I used to reject on a massive scale: black women, fat women, etc. There's no way to prove this, but I have. How? It's simple: in every general group of millions (fat, short, dark, etc.), there is someone who can change your mind if you let them. A closed mind is bolted from the inside.

The following is a seemingly random personal note, but I promise there's a moral behind it. Many years ago, after much contemplation and research, I chose to reject the public school system. I don't care to explain my decision to those who disagree, I am only mentioning it to prove how anyone can fight what they've been conditioned to hold dear. Even if 100% of those who surround you want your life to be a certain way, you cannot blame them when you give in. This is not a popular stance, because it's easier to blame our choices on instinct or upbringing. I don't care if people think I'm blaming women for rejecting short men, because I am blaming women and society for their biases against short men. Not women or society, but both, because women are half of the population and they are the ones ultimately doing the rejecting, no matter how much social conditioning they've been subjected to.

Question: if I grew up in an area that told me to be racist, can I blame that area for my racism? It would be easy to, but I'd rather blame my cowardice to go against the norm, or my stupidity for not being able to question everything. Either way, hiding behind my cultural upbringing or biological makeup would be the last thing I'd do, because I am a sentient being with agency.

If I ever dismiss millions of women based on a normal genetic trait, and try to blame my narrow-mindedness on society or nature, someone kill me for I have lost all responsibility. Even though both men and women say, "I get why girls reject short guys and it's okay and it makes sense because" - shut your mouths and own up. The easiest way to get by in a shallow society is by being shallow, and that's the path many choose. Choose, meaning it's their fucking fault by choice.

"A closed mind is bolted from the inside."